Lazar's story is by any standard,
fantastic. He says he's telling it in order to protect himself. He
said he was hired to work in area called S-4 which is a few miles
south of Groom Lake. At S-4, he says, are flying saucers,
anti-matter reactors and other working examples of technology that
is seemingly beyond human capabilities.
Lazar: "Right. This stuff came from
somewhere else. I know it is hard to believe, but it is there and
I saw it. I know what the current state-of-the-art is in physics
and it it can't be done."
Checking out Lazar's credentials proved
to be a difficult task. He says he holds degrees in physics and
electronics, but the schools that we contacted say they've never
heard of him. He says he also worked as a physicist at Los Alamos
National Labs where he worked with one of the world's largest
particle beam accelerators, a half-mile long 'behemoth' capable of
generating seven-hundred million volts. Los Alamos officials told
us they have no record of Robert Lazar ever working there. They
were either mistaken or were lying. A 1982 phone book from the Lab
lists Lazar right there among the other scientists and technicians.
A 1982 news clipping from the Los Alamos
newspaper profiled Lazar and his interest in jet cars. It, too,
mentioned his employment at the Lab as a physicist. We called Los
Alamos again, and an exasperated official told us he still had no
records on Lazar. EG&G, which is where Lazar says he was
interviewed for the job at S-4, also has no record. It's as if
someone has made him disappear.
Lazar: "Well, they're trying to make
me look non-existent to the places that I called...."
Interviewer: "Explain. Called where?"
Lazar: "Well, the schools that I
went to; the hospital that I was born at; past jobs, and nothing
comes up with my name on it."
He smiles, but out of futility, knowing
the whole thing must sound ridiculous. According to Lazar, his
employer was the United States Navy. He says he and other
government employees would gather near EG&G, fly to Groom
Lake, then a very few people would get into a bus with blacked out
or no windows and drive to S-4.
Interviewer: "You get off the bus,
what do you see?"
Lazar: "A very interesting building.
Its got a slope of probably about 30 degrees which are hangar
doors, and it has textured paint on it, but it looks like sand.
It's made to look like the side of the mountain that it is in,
whether it's to disguise it from satellite photographs or what...."
He says he was never told exactly what he
would be working on, but figured it had something to do with
advanced propulsion. On his first day he was told to read a series
of briefings, and immediately realized how advanced the propulsion
Lazar: "The power source is an
anti-matter reactor. They run gravity amplifiers. There is
actually two parts to the drive mechanism. It's a bizarre
technology. There is no physical hookups between any of the
systems in there. They use gravity as a wave using wave guides
that look like microwaves."
It took awhile, Lazar says, before he
actually saw one of the flying disks, however there were hints
Lazar: "Right. They had a poster,
and it looked like a commercial poster, like it was lithographed,
like you could buy it at K-Mart or someplace, but they were all
over the place and it had the disk that I coined the term 'the
floor model' which lifted off the ground about 3 feet out at the
area, in the Dry Lakes area, and the caption on it said 'They're
here.' These posters were all over the place."
Later, he got to see the real thing.
Lazar: "When I was led in, it was
the first time that I saw the 'floor model' in the hangar sitting
down, and I was told they could have walked me in the front door
but they purposely wanted to walk me by it. I was told not to say
anything and to keep my eyes forward and walk past the disk to the
office area. And I did. And as we went by it, I just kinda stuck
my hands on it, just to run it alongside the thing and uh ....After
that I got to see actually lift off the ground and operate."
Interviewer: "You actually got to
see more than one?"
Lazar: "Yeah. The hangars are all
connected together. There are large bay doors between each one.
There were nine total that I saw, each one being different. Like
they had the assortment pack."
Security at S-4 was oppressive
Lazar said, and his superiors used fear and intimidation almost as
a brainwashing tool.
Lazar: "They did everything
but physically hurt me."
Interviewer: "They put a gun
to your head?"
Interviewer: "You mean they actually
put a gun to your head?" Lazar: "They did that even in
the original security briefing. Guards there with M-16s. Guys
there slamming their fingers into my chest, screaming into my ear,
they were pointing weapons at me. Like I said, it's not a good
place to work." That fear factor would surface later. Lazar
agreed to undergo a polygraph exam as part of this report.
Clay recommended that a examiner be
brought in. Polygrapher Terry Tabernetti (sp?) runs a corporate
security operation and is a former Los Angeles police officer. He
put Lazar through four tests and concluded there were no attempts
to deceive. Tabernetti sent his test results to a third
polygrapher who agreed the results appeared truthful. The charts
were then sent to a fourth examiner who did not agree suggesting
that Lazar might be relating information he'd learned from someone
else. The polygraphers concurred and decided they would not issue
a final statement on truthfulness until more specific testing can
be conducted. And that's where it stands. Tabernetti believes the
difficulty in determining Lazar's truthfulness stems from the fear
that was drilled into him.
Lazar: "Well, I am telling the
truth. I've tried to prove that. What's going on up there could be
the most important event in history. You're talking about contact,
physical contact and proof from another planet, another system,
another intelligence. Thats got to be the biggest event in history,
period. And, it's real and it's there. And I had an extremely
small part in it. I'm convinced that what I saw is absolute proof
of that. There is no way that we could have created those disks.
There is no way we could have made the disks, the power supplies,
anything that goes with it."
Lazar says he has no intention of going
on any UFO lecture circuit. He is not looking to do any additional
interviews. In fact, he was not too crazy about doing this one. He
did it after certain unfavorable things started happening in his
life, and he did it because he feels that whoever is running the
show up at S- 4 is perpetrating a fraud on the American people and
the scientific community.